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Post by Hi I'm Derek on May 10, 2022 7:53:48 GMT -5
I mean nothing stops you from painting your dudes red and white and saying 'these marines are the 32nd Chapter of the Ultramarines, they're red and white because they're my models and you can't stop me painting them how I like'
But beyond the pragmatic reality of private ownership, as voodoo says the lore supports only the 18 legions and as far as I know their sub-units all use essentially the same paint scheme with only minor variations. Blood Angels are red, Ultras are blue etc etc. There won't be rules for creating legions, the two 'unknown' legions were both annihilated long before the Horus Heresy.
Think of Horus Heresy more like a historical wargame, since that's kind of what it is for 40k. People are going to raise eyebrows if you invent a new country to represent your forces, but there's a lot of customizing to be done at the micro level of units and personnel.
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Post by lightcavalier on May 10, 2022 9:11:31 GMT -5
So, to anyone that knows about the rules for the current edition of 30K, is there the option to create your own legion with its own colour scheme (you could say it's one of the two lost/redacted legions), or are you forced to use the colours of one of the official legions. I'm not always the biggest fan of painting official colour schemes, so want to know if I'd have to do one, or if I can do whatever scheme I want. Unfortnately not really, as at that time Successor chapters weren't even a glimmer in the organization chart yet. Everything was still organized at the Legion level. It wasn't until after the Heresy, when the Lords of Terra broke the marine legions down into smaller forces to prevent any one force being large enough to do what Horus did without alerting lots of wandering eyes/ears. You're kind of "shoehorned" into the legion color schemes as they appeared in the heresy, though some legions changed color schemes a few times. Example: The Dusk Raiders (later knowns as Death Guard) began as just slate grey armor with a red right arm and golden trim to signify them (at the time) being "the red right arm of the emperor". Plus, there's lots of different ways to represent the standard legion colors, you don't HAVE to have the exact red that everyone else does for your red armor, you could hue it up or down, metallic underneath, bone colored then glaze red, etc. etc. There is still some wiggle room if you wanted to make some unheard of company of some chapter of a legion who wear funky personal heraldry of their Capt based on some heroic deed/etc. (See the Templar Bretheren and their yellow + black scheme for being Sigismunds dudes, or the Gal Vorbak before the whole legion adopted their colours, etc) The legions are so ridiculously large that there is narrative space for variation
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Post by southstafford on May 10, 2022 12:57:56 GMT -5
I'm thinking of getting into this, not heavily as GW is eyewateringly expensive, but I'll be looking at keeping to my roots and going 6th Legion Valka Fenryka.
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Post by cmcd on May 10, 2022 22:13:16 GMT -5
So, to anyone that knows about the rules for the current edition of 30K, is there the option to create your own legion with its own colour scheme (you could say it's one of the two lost/redacted legions), or are you forced to use the colours of one of the official legions. I'm not always the biggest fan of painting official colour schemes, so want to know if I'd have to do one, or if I can do whatever scheme I want. You should do old school salamanders. imgur.com/a/klrf6bOwait. I want t do that
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Post by Hi I'm Derek on May 11, 2022 8:18:50 GMT -5
So, to anyone that knows about the rules for the current edition of 30K, is there the option to create your own legion with its own colour scheme (you could say it's one of the two lost/redacted legions), or are you forced to use the colours of one of the official legions. I'm not always the biggest fan of painting official colour schemes, so want to know if I'd have to do one, or if I can do whatever scheme I want. You should do old school salamanders. imgur.com/a/klrf6bOwait. I want t do that Groovy...!
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Post by StepwisePilot on May 11, 2022 20:21:46 GMT -5
Well, if I have to go with an official scheme, I'd probably be either Imperial Fists (because apparently I feel like torturing myself by painting yellow), or Iron Warriors. I'm still undecided. Who knows, maybe I'd go for something else entirely, but those two are most likely at the moment. Then again, I have stuff going on in my personal life at the moment that is keeping me from this stuff right now, so it may be a while.
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Post by ohgodsnakes on May 12, 2022 9:11:13 GMT -5
I'm thinking of getting into this, not heavily as GW is eyewateringly expensive, but I'll be looking at keeping to my roots and going 6th Legion Valka Fenryka. I'm putting you down!
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on May 12, 2022 9:14:19 GMT -5
Daemons of the ruinstorm should I play....
....or if I succumb to the box set FOMO then I guess some form of traitor legion... but I'm no where near decision on which.
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Post by voodoo on May 12, 2022 9:26:50 GMT -5
Daemons of the ruinstorm should I play.... ....or if I succumb to the box set FOMO then I guess some form of traitor legion... but I'm no where near decision on which. You should play Dark Angels, they're traitors. Daemons would be cool, as you then wouldn't need to paint a bunch of Marine bodies; but if you did got with marines; then pick one of the freaking cool legions, so you can get wild with conversions to keep it interesting across that many bodies. World Eaters had a bunch of flavour even in the Heresy era, same as Emperor's Children, Iron Warriors, Night Lords and Thousand Sons. Death Guard had lots of specialized units, but their scheme is very plain by design... but opens up lots of possibilities of battle damage, as it was said they rarely repaired the paint of their armor, only the damage to the ceramite itself.
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Post by ohgodsnakes on May 12, 2022 9:45:45 GMT -5
I am having an absolute blast adding top knots, skulls, chains, and little haraldic details to my wee legionaries. I've actually kitbashes my vets from the 40k choas marines and mkiii bits. Lots of opportunities to make your chosen legion your own.
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Post by dave on May 12, 2022 10:59:30 GMT -5
I've come to the conclusion that it would be less work for me to start with the objectively* better CSM kit itself, than it would be to try to make the mkvi armour interesting. If I ever end up playing HH, it will have to be with what I plan to use for my wip 40k EC.
Good deals are always tempting, but I just don't think I'd ever get around to painting those 40 bodies in the box set.
I do hope to see some more of the vehicles though. Always loved the SM vehicle look before they went primaris.
*this is subjective
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Post by Hi I'm Derek on May 12, 2022 11:01:44 GMT -5
Treads > Hovering
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Post by ohgodsnakes on May 12, 2022 11:17:13 GMT -5
The admittedly somewhat boring MKVI does lend itself well to speed painting though. I bet I could finish those 40 Beakies faster than 20 40k Legionaries just because there is very little trim.
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Post by ohgodsnakes on May 12, 2022 11:19:22 GMT -5
I'd argue there's a place for both in a future scifi game, but it would be nice to see some tracked primaris vehicles introduced. Scrap that, primaris have enough for a while haha. Plus, there's rumours that there are already more Primaris releases on the horizon in the form of a "heavy" redemptor of some sort.
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Post by Hi I'm Derek on May 12, 2022 12:54:09 GMT -5
I'd argue there's a place for both in a future scifi game, but it would be nice to see some tracked primaris vehicles introduced. I would too, but it's not like there hasn't always been ton of hovering stuff from the earliest days from jetbikes to landspeeders (of which I have many!) to multiple entire xenos armies of hover vehicles. Hovertanks, though, had always been strongly associated with technologically advanced aliens while the more primitive recognizable forms of the Imperium emphasized the whole 'technological dark age' motif. I just think new and advanced-looking Primaris equipment erodes that theme. The retro aesthetic is one of my favourite aspects of HH and why I got many of its models for 40k in the past!
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