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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Mar 23, 2023 9:20:47 GMT -5
Waiting to see if the removal of the primaris keyword is a thing, that will make it much easier to play firstborn in general by removing the annoying divide between the two ranges. I honestly wouldn't even mind if redundant old profiles for firstborn units are squatted if it allows me to just use my guys as their modern equivalent - bolter marines, jump pack marines, w/e. If they just deleted the primaris keyword I'd also be so happy. Primaris marines in a land raider or terminators in an impulsor or a hundred other combos would just feel so nice aesthetically to choose from. Especially with army construction rules and force org being essentially removed it would just make it so much easier to blend stuff together.
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Post by dapperswain on Mar 23, 2023 9:25:19 GMT -5
Quick questions:
Now that we're in "Index-Hammer", what does this mean for future books? My vague understanding is that codex books will still be released for each army to update specific rules.
Also, how good is Nexus about getting in starter set boxes as pre-orders?
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Post by trevor1988 on Mar 23, 2023 9:26:19 GMT -5
Exactly, it makes it’s pretty obvious the rules were there to sell models. You can’t tell us that they fight together but don’t share transports.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Mar 23, 2023 9:32:13 GMT -5
Quick questions: Now that we're in "Index-Hammer", what does this mean for future books? My vague understanding is that codex books will still be released for each army to update specific rules. Also, how good is Nexus about getting in starter set boxes as pre-orders? Once the pre-orders are announced Nexus will bring them in... and normally can get enough. (there was still Indomitus on the shelf like a year after release lol). I'd pre-order though, just in case. Recently GW's shipping has been - problematic. From what the video was saying, the codexes will be more for lore/crusade etc. So no new datasheets that get invalidated in three months. Datasheets and rules updates all released online.
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Post by ItsBird on Mar 23, 2023 9:46:34 GMT -5
Also, how good is Nexus about getting in starter set boxes as pre-orders? We haven't had an issue with previous editions but as Shannon said they've been aggressively allocating releases lately (and sometimes not even sending us what we're allocated 🥴) so getting preorders in sooner rather than later is always best.
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Post by Hi I'm Derek on Mar 23, 2023 11:00:54 GMT -5
Quick questions: Now that we're in "Index-Hammer", what does this mean for future books? My vague understanding is that codex books will still be released for each army to update specific rules. Also, how good is Nexus about getting in starter set boxes as pre-orders? Once the pre-orders are announced Nexus will bring them in... and normally can get enough. (there was still Indomitus on the shelf like a year after release lol). I'd pre-order though, just in case. Recently GW's shipping has been - problematic. From what the video was saying, the codexes will be more for lore/crusade etc. So no new datasheets that get invalidated in three months. Datasheets and rules updates all released online. So the fascinating thing about this to me (which you will remember as one of the 40k players that also played Sigmar) is they actually tried this approach with Sigmar for like five years! It was actually super popular and helpful. You could download unit profiles directly from the dang store page. Then roughly around the time the current edition was spooling up they walked that back and moved exclusively to the 40k style distribution of rules. Maybe they found removing it didn't make them the money they thought it would?
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Mar 23, 2023 11:11:21 GMT -5
I think they're finding the sales have not been what they wanted once people caught on that rules were largely invalidated in many books shortly after release (or in Votann's case PRE release!). With plentiful sources online for free basic rules, a codex just wasn't that appealing. Plus it was a huge source of leaks with the long leadup to print. Also it was just a pain with the whole sending printed books in time from China which bogged down their release schedules.
Not saying they're NOT going to go back to their old ways, but really online rules datasheets makes the most sense, especially with how often they're patching the rules these days.
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Post by raceygaming on Mar 23, 2023 11:42:49 GMT -5
I find it interesting that the number of melee attacks are now tied to the weapon, not the data sheet. Seems like a good thing for balance. The new sheet that is just
M T W save Lds and OC ( objective control?)
Means that it is really easy to point for point compare units and know what you are buying base model wise.
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Post by lightcavalier on Mar 23, 2023 12:27:15 GMT -5
I find it interesting that the number of melee attacks are now tied to the weapon, not the data sheet. Seems like a good thing for balance. The new sheet that is just M T W save Lds and OC ( objective control?) Means that it is really easy to point for point compare units and know what you are buying base model wise. # of attacks was largely toed to the wpn anyway just in a way that involved math (+X attacks, 2x attacks, etc) I love the OC stat, because there are so many ways to play w it. Things like Death Compaky being killy but either 0 or 1 OC....or knights being some big number. It could be really cool
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Post by mrmanstory on Mar 23, 2023 13:18:46 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to see what strategems they keep/come up with as the core few for each army. I assume it'll be Ines that we're used a lot anyway like rotate Ion shields for knights.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Mar 23, 2023 13:42:41 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to see what strategems they keep/come up with as the core few for each army. I assume it'll be Ines that we're used a lot anyway like rotate Ion shields for knights. I'm guessing that the six will be the ones most commonly used / thematic for the army. Most armies have a version of certain strats such as fight on death, extra attacks on a charge etc. that could easily be a core strat for everyone. Plus WAY easier to balance!
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Post by Hi I'm Derek on Mar 23, 2023 14:33:36 GMT -5
One in one out is a good concept to avoid rules bloating and layering growing out of control.
Let's see if they can stick to it!
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Post by redshirt2375 on Mar 23, 2023 15:40:46 GMT -5
Looks promising. And as I have yet to play a game of 9th, I think I will just write off the last few years (and associated costs) and continue to pass until 10th debuts. Since 40K debuted (yes, I was there for that), this will be the only edition in which I will never have played a game. I second this, except I started with 3rd Here's hoping 10th is our edition to come back to playing
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Post by Khalai on Mar 23, 2023 15:47:07 GMT -5
I like OC as a means to balance armies for objectives.
Per the video OC determines control of objectives (duh). Most OC on an obj gets control. Most models will be one, and things that were obj secured will be two but really gives them freedom to balance Knights and other styles of armies that just are not able to play that game.
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Post by raceygaming on Mar 23, 2023 18:17:19 GMT -5
I like OC as a means to balance armies for objectives. Per the video OC determines control of objectives (duh). Most OC on an obj gets control. Most models will be one, and things that were obj secured will be two but really gives them freedom to balance Knights and other styles of armies that just are not able to play that game. Ya it's a pretty cool Mechanic that they can play with. No more a slipped 2 models on so its mine. Turns out that knight is OC 10 or a greater demons is OC 5 where a grot is oc 1.
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