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Post by cmcd on Dec 17, 2023 11:11:10 GMT -5
I changed the list. Putting the enhancement to reroll hits on the lord with heavy destroyers. They pop out with line of sight only on the target and get full rerolls.
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Post by cmcd on Dec 17, 2023 11:13:28 GMT -5
Nope nothing, just comes in from stategic reserve. So. No first turn, and comes in on the edge. .
Perhaps I should take apart my obelisk again….
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Post by cmcd on Dec 18, 2023 16:24:48 GMT -5
So
6 skorpekh destroyers + lord = 300 pts // 8 S6,-1ap,1d / 24 S7, -2ap,2d lethal hits. T6 3+ save 3 wounds. Move 8” hits on 3s
6 Canoptek wraiths + technomancer = 280pts // 24 S6, -1ap,2d . T6 3+ 4++ 5+++ 4wounds. Move 10” Hits on 4s
Destroyers more deadly Wraiths more durable
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Post by trantos01 on Dec 18, 2023 21:54:22 GMT -5
The destroyers might be more deadly but you run into the question of 'which is more likely to cross the board to attack?'.
Because outside of certain shenanigans, you're not getting a turn 1 charge with either of these units. Meaning that the enemy will have at least one turn of shooting at them. And depending on the army, there can be a lot of shooting; see your T'au.
The destroyers don't really have any big survivability tricks available to them meaning they can get picked up a lot faster than an equivalent number of wraiths.
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Post by Typhus on Dec 18, 2023 22:14:15 GMT -5
Because outside of certain shenanigans, you're not getting a turn 1 charge with either of these units. Imagine not playing Canoptek Court. Wraiths are the best unit in the best detachment - Canoptek Court fixes all of their issues, and turns them into an absolute menace with full hit rerolls and devastating wounds, plus extra mobility in the form of redeploys and infiltrate, on top of their substantial durability. Unfortunately, Annihilation Legion falls way short of providing similar throughput to Skorpekh Destroyers.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Dec 18, 2023 22:32:32 GMT -5
not really intending to play Canoptek Court, as I don't own any wraiths and I'd anticipate they're going to be as hard to come by as eightbound these days.
GW logic: "this model is so good everyone is going to want to buy it"
US: "so you're making enough... right?"
GW: "ummmm....."
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Post by trantos01 on Dec 19, 2023 6:15:11 GMT -5
Because outside of certain shenanigans, you're not getting a turn 1 charge with either of these units. Imagine not playing Canoptek Court. Wraiths are the best unit in the best detachment - Canoptek Court fixes all of their issues, and turns them into an absolute menace with full hit rerolls and devastating wounds, plus extra mobility in the form of redeploys and infiltrate, on top of their substantial durability. Unfortunately, Annihilation Legion falls way short of providing similar throughput to Skorpekh Destroyers. Honestly, I'm going to be trying them as part of an Awakened List as well.They can get a redeploy or -1 to hit (enhancements on Technomnacers), will hit on 3s, and have strats can get back wounds in response to being shot or be buffed to S7 AP-2.
That and while Wraiths are going to be a big part of any Necron lists, they aren't all of the list. They struggle with anti-tank and I found that Doomstalkers aren't necessarily the equal to DDAs or LDAs even with the CC rerolls.
And speaking of reolls, it will likely depend on the list you're facing but I only had rerolls 1s for the Wraiths the majority of the time in my fight against Chris. Because they' were in the mid-field or opponent's deployment zone and you need to hold objectives to extend the power field there.
Meanwhile Chris rightly covered his home-field objective with a tank meaning they couldn't reach it and was shooting everything he could.
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Post by raceygaming on Dec 19, 2023 10:38:42 GMT -5
Because outside of certain shenanigans, you're not getting a turn 1 charge with either of these units. Imagine not playing Canoptek Court. Wraiths are the best unit in the best detachment - Canoptek Court fixes all of their issues, and turns them into an absolute menace with full hit rerolls and devastating wounds, plus extra mobility in the form of redeploys and infiltrate, on top of their substantial durability. Unfortunately, Annihilation Legion falls way short of providing similar throughput to Skorpekh Destroyers. I mean in all fairness when some one gives you a layup you take it. GW has to know that Canopetek court was the strongest and obviously want to sell or move product based on it. I don't think it will be strong enough to see necrons take over as top dog so I doubt it will see any changes outside of a wraith point update in Jan ( C'tan will probably get points update too)
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Post by cmcd on Dec 19, 2023 11:34:56 GMT -5
Wraiths are just good no mater what detachment their in. The 5+++ from the technomancer and the ability to heal 2D3 wounds on your turn (reanimation + technomancer) plays well together. Since they are now 4 wounds you cant bring back one at full health due to reanimating, but the technomancer gets to heal him up. There just good. I dont think Canoptek court is a must for them.
In the game with Jonathon it took a full turn of tau shooting to take out one squad. The second unit was down to 3 models after turn 2 by turn five they just kept healing and were back up to almost full strength by end of the game.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Dec 23, 2023 16:31:53 GMT -5
remember when I said I wasn't planning on playing Canoptek Court? Chris showed me the errors of my ways lol... I'm convinced now
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Post by trantos01 on Dec 23, 2023 17:38:59 GMT -5
remember when I said I wasn't planning on playing Canoptek Court? Chris showed me the errors of my ways lol... I'm convinced now Which bunch of rerolls got you, the doomstalkers, Wraiths or the Cryptek-led Immortals?
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Dec 23, 2023 18:43:07 GMT -5
no wraiths... but everything else was performing so well with the rerolls - meanwhile I'm trying to stay in a 6" silent king bubble just for rerolling 1's... poor silent king... he just ain't worth it!
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Post by trantos01 on Dec 23, 2023 20:08:02 GMT -5
no wraiths... but everything else was performing so well with the rerolls - meanwhile I'm trying to stay in a 6" silent king bubble just for rerolling 1's... poor silent king... he just ain't worth it! Downside is that destroyers and D.Arks don't get anything from the CC as you can't attach Crypteks and they aren't Canoptek.
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Post by cmcd on Dec 24, 2023 3:04:42 GMT -5
I was shocked when your night bringer and T-Ctan could not kill 10 immortals.
In that game i figured out where we went wrong. We each missed a turn. We went from the start of turn 4 for you and the end of turn 5 for me. Have to get better using this app.
Im still solid that the Silent king is good. Im sure i can make a list for him. But it is likely just him with a bunch of destroyers.
Canoptek Court is really good. Next test is to run it with nothing but canoptek units. I did like my list though. .
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Post by Casper on Dec 24, 2023 4:07:57 GMT -5
Silent King in Awakened Dynasty with a Catacomb Command Barge + Phasal Subjugator is still pretty good. Doomstalkers or DDAs hitting on 3s/2s with Heavy + reroll of 1. Does require a lot of grouped up bulk though.
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