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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Mar 5, 2013 6:36:16 GMT -5
yeah Tom that's what I was going for with the second list tactic wise... first one is kind of the one big wave rolling towards you and can you kill it in time... second is the pin... then die (because those dogs will die against most things) but hopefully die slow enough that the wave behind makes it into combat intact...
my thoughts on bloodletters is if you want them to live longer than guardsmen you have to protect them from shooting... because they're gonna go down like flies!
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Mar 7, 2013 6:48:35 GMT -5
Yet more adjustments:
HQ:
Skarbrand
Karanak
Herald - lesser reward, fury, blood throne Herald - lesser reward, fury, blood throne
Troops:
20 bloodletters + musician 20 bloodletters + musician 20 bloodletters
Elite:
3 bloodcrushers with banner
Fast:
10 flesh hounds
Heavy:
Skull cannon Skull cannon
Soulgrinder
2,000 points
skarbrand, the two thrones, and the two bloodletters with musicians are in reserve
grinder, two cannons, crushers, hounds, and 20 naked letters on the table
Karanak joins the crushers to scout them, hounds scout up, 20 letters run forward
deep strike - roll for bloodletters first, musician pulls throne, roll next set of bloodletters, musician pulls either throne or skarbrand, whatever that doesn't get pulled in gets rolled separately afterwards... either deepstrike of icon if still alive, or normally if not...
opponent has one turn before they're charged with everything...
would love to fit in an aegis with com relay but don't know what to drop to fit it... could lose a cannon I guess? hmmmmm
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Post by danydaigle24 on Mar 7, 2013 7:39:54 GMT -5
cool aggresive list, I can see work it very well...
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Mar 7, 2013 7:42:44 GMT -5
I'm just not sure the thrones are worth it... hate to spend $100 just to see... but it'll take more than one or two proxy games to really evaluate them I think...
...and alot will depend on what random things happen....
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Post by danydaigle24 on Mar 7, 2013 7:57:31 GMT -5
yeah proxy them a lot to make sure...
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Mar 9, 2013 21:17:56 GMT -5
more adjustments:
HQ:
Skarbrand
Karanak
Herald - lesser reward, fury Herald - lesser reward, fury
Troops:
20 bloodletters + banner 20 bloodletters + banner 20 bloodletters + musician
Elite:
6 bloodcrushers with banner and champ (5 extra points left)
Fast:
10 flesh hounds
Heavy:
Skull cannon Skull cannon
Soulgrinder
2,000 points
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so basically it's having three banner sources, so I can drop a unit of bloodletters and skarbrand whereever they're needed.
Basic plan is karanak joins the crushers to scout them up... two units of bloodletters with banners run into midfield (more to the outer edges of midfield)... banner should now be basically placed across midfield, with two fast and dangerous units (crushes and hounds) in position to charge next turn.
reserves roll for the letters first.. if it works they pull in Skarbrand with them.... if not big-crazy-dude is able to roll on his own.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Mar 12, 2013 8:53:23 GMT -5
realized something... Skarbrand gives me the bonus of fury and wrath... so the khorne heralds weren't really adding a whole lot... then I thought it might be cool to get the grimoire of true names in the list as well, for a fairly significant boost... but need a survivable spot to put it in... enter the herald on the throne...
... so he's basically a buff player who can charge in to aid in the bloodletter /skarbrand second wave or stay back to just keep buffing crucial units, and being another source of a hatred bubble for when skarbrand inevitably (and quickly it seems!) goes down...
HQ:
Skarbrand Karanak herald - exalted gift (switch out for the grimoire), wrath loci, throne
Troops:
20 bloodletters + banner 20 bloodletters + banner 19 bloodletters + musician
Elite:
6 bloodcrushers + banner
Fast:
10 flesh hounds
Heavy:
Cannon Cannon Soulgrinder - Khorne mark + plegmn
2000 points on the nose
I think I've got something to build towards now ;D
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Post by danydaigle24 on Mar 12, 2013 9:11:25 GMT -5
yeah its gonna be awesome on the table and pretty much everything you touch die...
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Post by calitom on Mar 12, 2013 15:01:42 GMT -5
I still think lesser gifts on champs will go a long way in a Khorne based list if only for the AP 2.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Mar 12, 2013 15:14:52 GMT -5
are two AP2 attacks going to really make that much of a difference do think?
I'm at the point where I'm tight on points... I can drop the loci of wrath on the herald to free up enough for one champ with AP 2... then I'm dropping bodies for any more....
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Post by calitom on Mar 12, 2013 16:58:18 GMT -5
Maybe not then. Not sure.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Mar 12, 2013 17:17:32 GMT -5
I'm totally konfused about khorne....
it would be 60 points to give the bloodletters and crushers a champ with an AP2 weapon....
so either six bloodletters go bye bye to make it happen...
.....or I lose a crusher, a bloodletter and change the loci to fury instead of wrath
or alternatively I could file the grimoire (although bloodcrushers with a 3++ seems fairly useful doesn't it?) and lose three bloodletters... but then the guy on the throne really doesn't have a purpose... so might as well do the list above it right?
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Post by danydaigle24 on Mar 12, 2013 18:23:43 GMT -5
I really think with that many attack when you charge AP2 is not necessary but its with games that you will find out...
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Mar 27, 2013 5:43:03 GMT -5
more refining:
HQ:
Skarbrand
Karanak
Herald - juggernaut, exalted gift (switch for grimoire)
Troops:
15 bloodletters with banner 15 bloodletters with banner 15 bloodletters with musician 15 bloodletters with musician
Elite:
5 bloodcrushers with banner
Fast:
15 flesh hounds
Heavy:
cannon cannon soulgrinder - khorne/phlegm
2000 points
herald with hounds... karanak with crushers... everyone scouts up... one reserve roll pulls in two units of bloodletters and skarbrand bouncing off icons...
turn two - initial charge of crushers / hounds
turn three - follow up charge of skarbrand and bloodletters
Turn four - hope something of mine is left alive! ;D
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Post by LizardTau on Mar 27, 2013 7:07:56 GMT -5
Ill have to check as i may be totally wrong but i thought scout didn't let u move forward anymore it just let u re deploy the model. Again i may be totally wrong as i am at work and unable to check.
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