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Post by Typhus on Sept 13, 2019 20:44:40 GMT -5
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Post by Malarks on Sept 13, 2019 20:45:51 GMT -5
Damnit...
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Post by LizardTau on Sept 13, 2019 20:58:54 GMT -5
hellblasters are 6 pl and they cost 165 points. and devestators cost 6 pl and can be up to 185 points. but vangaurd vets cost 6 pl and can be as low as 70 points. pl is not a good way to judge the points lol |
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Post by Typhus on Sept 13, 2019 21:14:19 GMT -5
hellblasters are 6 pl and they cost 165 points. and devestators cost 6 pl and can be up to 185 points. but vangaurd vets cost 6 pl and can be as low as 70 points. pl is not a good way to judge the points lol PL takes the average of every possible upgrade into account. It doesn't suggest points only in cases where units have had their points changed in Chapter Approved (because PL never changes, while points routinely do). For a newly-published unit, the points will be roughly equal to PL * 20. We also have the suggestion from GW's own stream that Feirros is 110 points, which would be bang on. |
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Post by LizardTau on Sept 13, 2019 21:23:51 GMT -5
both hellblasters and devestators have not had their points changed other then for weapons they could take so the pl should be accurate them if taking weapons that the points have not changed on.
also you can't say power levels never change there has been some just not many (i believe daemons are the only ones who have had some changes)
now im not saying you are wrong on that it what his points will be, as i have heard 110 from a couple places (whether they are correct or not) but im just saying power level is not a reliable way to judge how much something will cost
Edit.
That being said the new calgar is 11 pl and this guy is only 6.
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Post by trantos01 on Sept 13, 2019 23:01:26 GMT -5
Sure but we have to remember that GW wants people to buy lots of Primaris since it's the New Thing so they make the various characters and models really good, cheap etc.
Now granted if you had a Vindicare or two on the battlefield, Feirros can be readily handled assuming you can get LoS on him.
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Post by Malarks on Sept 14, 2019 7:15:15 GMT -5
I must remember to hold off on reacting to "new hotness" until it has been through this period of ultra-shine and gets FAQ'd in to the ground (or in to something resembling a balanced unit)
I read this thread, look at my Ork characters and just... *shakes head in dismay*
90 points gets me a vanilla warboss - sure, the warboss is a beefcake and can Waaagh!, with only a 4+ save
119 points gets me a vanilla big mek w/ KFF - KFF does not work in melee and the Big Mek is slow and between a Warboss and Nob, for stats. And I still say the KFF is nowhere near as amazing as people try and make it out be. Sure, it is handy, but still very limited. Especially now that Index options are "Legacy" - albeit, this is not a problem around here.
Maybe in a few weeks, things will feel more even.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Sept 14, 2019 7:40:56 GMT -5
I find that whenever GW does any type of revamp, the space marines are supposed to "set the standard" so to speak... when 8th was first released the marine codex was the one with all the new toys, then they started to release more dex's with more options and trying out more varied stratagems, tactics etc. and the marines really got left behind.
Bolters were pretty much a joke, and if you weren't a T3 body or had a 6+ save (or both...lol) you were not scared of them in the least. Space marine "super humans" weren't really superhuman at all, and save primaris (which more accurately represent a space marine relative to other races) bringing bog standard marines was inferior to bringing scouts. At the beginning of 8th sure, they were testing the waters on the new system and trying to figure out balance. However (and remember I am primarily a xenos/chaos player saying this) marines were just not good enough to resemble anything even close to every piece of fluff GW has ever written.
These rules seem really tough... yeah they do. As a primarily xenos/chaos player I honestly wasn't really worried about or planning for (in a list building tourney setting) marines as they tended to be an easier matchup. Now within the last month I HAVE to start thinking "okay what about vs. marines" whenever I make a list. Haven't really had to consider them in the same league as armored parking lot, knights, eldar when I'm listbuilding. Now I HAVE to. That's probably a good thing.
Now we just have to shore up a few armies to balance with that level (some are behind the power curve slightly right now outside of a few specific builds) have another round of chapter approved point corrections and things will level out.
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Post by ohgodsnakes on Sept 14, 2019 9:20:35 GMT -5
As a wise Jake said earlier in this thread, let's see how it all plays out once we've actually got some field experience with them  |
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Post by trantos01 on Sept 14, 2019 16:13:55 GMT -5
Whelp reviews are up for the Iron Hands supplement and Feirros is indeed only 110 points.
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Post by LizardTau on Sept 14, 2019 16:29:54 GMT -5
Whelp reviews are up for the Iron Hands supplement and Feirros is indeed only 110 points. Well welcome to the new season of guy feirros dinners drive ins and dreadnoughts. |
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Post by Typhus on Sept 14, 2019 16:30:53 GMT -5
Whelp reviews are up for the Iron Hands supplement and Feirros is indeed only 110 points. And Shrike is 130. That's a big oof for Raven Guard players. |
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Post by trantos01 on Sept 14, 2019 16:52:22 GMT -5
Well welcome to the new season of guy feirros dinners drive ins and dreadnoughts. Which means there's going to be even more focus on lots and lots of anti-tank and/or snipers to A: blow up the vehicles/dreads he's buffs or B: kill him.
Not to mention he's 100 immune to the Necron go-to of Time's Arrow since even with the vault the biggest thing I can delete is a 6 wound model.
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Post by ohgodsnakes on Sept 14, 2019 17:26:54 GMT -5
Whelp reviews are up for the Iron Hands supplement and Feirros is indeed only 110 points. And Shrike is 130. That's a big oof for Raven Guard players. Only in comparison to what seems to be a very underpriced character. 130 for a chapter master is super good. He was 150 before The Imbiggoning, so he shed 20 points and got some better rules. |
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Post by LizardTau on Sept 14, 2019 18:27:57 GMT -5
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