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Post by lightcavalier on Jan 12, 2022 8:58:48 GMT -5
From BOlter and Chainsword
New Chapter Approved leaks, here's a couple from two different sources:
- no more subfaction soup (no idea on how it's going to be phrased, though)
- (most?) detachments will be losing slots, excluding battalions and brigades. Namely, patrols seem to be losing one heavy support and one fast attack slot.
On top of the leaked custodes points, here are some leaked ones for SoB:
- Morvenn Vahl +15
- Novitiates +2.5
- Sacresants +2
- Paragon Warsuits -10 (per model)
- Exorcists -10
- Immolators -10
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The Custodes points leaks mentioned:
TRAJ: 160
SC ON BIKE: 160
BLADE CHAMP: 120
SC ON FOOT: 105 + 10 FOR A SHIELD
VALERIAN: 130
ALLARUS: 60
GUARDIANS: 45 SHIELDS are +10? (New rule?)
WARDENS: 50
VENATARI: 55
VEXILLA: 105
ALLARUS VEXILLA: 115
BIKERS: 80 +5 MISSILES
PLASTIC DREAD: 155
GUARDIAN WITH ADARASITE: 55
SISTERS NO CHANGES
SAGITTARUM: 50 NO MISCORDIA COST
AQUILON: 70 (10 FOR DESTRUCTOR OR FLAMER)
GALATUS: 170
ACHILLUS: 160 (10 FOR EACH WRIST)
AGAMANTUS: 95
PALLAS: 95
CALADIUS: 205
TELEMON: 260 (+15 FOR STORM)
ORION: 450
ARES: 400(!)
CORONUS: 220
As this is due to go on pre-order this weekend (Supposedly), we're likely to see more leaked this week and next
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Post by artonas on Jan 12, 2022 9:13:18 GMT -5
Oh man thats exciting that its coming out for preorder this weekend. So good chance we will have all the changes by saturday.
I like the idea of chnages to detachments. Keeps things interesting
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Post by distractedcarnifex on Jan 12, 2022 10:39:40 GMT -5
Interesting! Glad to see subfaction soup disappear for Matched Play. It was already rare, I suppose, but I like the concept of committing to a subfaction.
Patrols are quite good in terms of slots. Limiting to one Hvy and one Fast will certainly affect some builds. Not sure how I feel on this, but hey, mixes things up.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 12, 2022 10:42:05 GMT -5
hmm exorcists and immolators coming down in points is nice... I own four of those!
yay for chapter approved releasing this quickly! Will be in place for club champs.
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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Jan 12, 2022 11:11:13 GMT -5
The Patrol detachment was definitely seeing use as a way to cherry pick across subfactions or reduce troops to unlock more slots for particular builds. Not that I think those builds were too bad except at the very top ultra competitive level.
It is nice to see the system start to come into a finer balance. There's a lot of folks crying wolf the game is unbalanced right now. The reality is (and always has been) the ultra-competitive-tournament-scene is what's the problem. There's a lack of new broken skew builds to replace the ones that were nerfed by the balance dataslate and everyone is assuming that the drukhari damage reduction build will run rampant for the next six months (spoiler alert, it won't).
I think that GW is doing a good thing by not limiting nerfs or buffs just to points changes. Changing points is an extremely limited way of affecting game balance and I have been very happy with their approach so far asside from a few minor bystander casualties of the changes in 9th so far.
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Post by raceygaming on Jan 12, 2022 11:49:51 GMT -5
Honestly the no subtraction soup is really crazy since a ton of armies (DE, orks,sister) often have 2-3 different splits.
I know a bunch of my ork ideas would be invalid by this. I like to soup in the fight last in orks.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 12, 2022 12:33:54 GMT -5
DE will be hit pretty hard (at least the top builds currently) by the no souping... as the talos/grotesques are best for damage reduction, but the rest of the codex really benefit from something else! especially some dark technomancers added in for Cronos... cult of strife for blender succubi, etc.
probably intentional.
so much for my kronos/kraken nid lists... all embrace Leviathan as the only choice!
this will also REALLY hit GSC, who have specialized units that are really good at specific roles. Those jackals, ridgerunners etc. don't really benefit from the melee cults... while aberrants, metamorphs etc. don't benefit from shooting...
interesting times for sure. Will really mix things up!
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Post by distractedcarnifex on Jan 12, 2022 12:49:56 GMT -5
I think that the Crossfire rule in the new GSC codex already requires mono-subfaction to be in effect? So this may well be the way forward for Matched Play.
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Post by lightcavalier on Jan 12, 2022 12:51:18 GMT -5
I dont think Coven/Kabal/CUlt soup will be hurt (as its baked into the codex)....I think taking multiple different Coven (or cult or kabal) is what will take a hit.
As a general rule ive only seen Coven builds go for the multi coven type build....there is too little benefit for cult/kabal builds to bring 2 different types unless you really want a 2nd unit of over priced blood brides.
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Post by lightcavalier on Jan 12, 2022 12:52:24 GMT -5
I think that the Crossfire rule in the new GSC codex already requires mono-subfaction to be in effect? So this may well be the way forward for Matched Play. The Eldar rumours also seem to indicate that you loose your craftworld bonus rules if you army isnt mono-craftworld....so could certainly be the wave of the future. |
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Post by raceygaming on Jan 12, 2022 13:08:16 GMT -5
At least for Orks I think that if you are going to have to go mono-Kultur that only Freebootaz and Goffs are going to be left standing. Evil suns and deathskull are both great for a small dip to get some stratagems/relics and obsec but nothing else. Snakebites and badmoons are going to be almost non-existent in a mono world.
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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Jan 12, 2022 13:20:04 GMT -5
I think that the Crossfire rule in the new GSC codex already requires mono-subfaction to be in effect? So this may well be the way forward for Matched Play. Crossfire has a specific exemption for <25% Brood Brothers, but even 1 point of Tyranids it's no-bueno. I took a look over Goonhammer's latest GT results post from today at lunch, guess what's on top? Admech Mars/Lucius combo, Tsons Time/Duplicity combo, Drukhari talos/cronos split builds.... Warm up the nerf-hammer. GW is on it like donkey-kong. |
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Post by lightcavalier on Jan 12, 2022 13:34:14 GMT -5
I think that the Crossfire rule in the new GSC codex already requires mono-subfaction to be in effect? So this may well be the way forward for Matched Play. Crossfire has a specific exemption for <25% Brood Brothers, but even 1 point of Tyranids it's no-bueno. I took a look over Goonhammer's latest GT results post from today at lunch, guess what's on top? Admech Mars/Lucius combo, Tsons Time/Duplicity combo, Drukhari talos/cronos split builds.... Warm up the nerf-hammer. GW is on it like donkey-kong. Judging by my experience w testing another game made by an ex GW designer Its likely tgat they never considered ppl would soup subtraction as a way to gain efficiency/advantage on the table. The ppl who design these things very much don't play that way, nor do they think pplvwill choose to play thatcway...and often brush off plwytester concerns as being fringe cases until things go wrong out ib the wild. |
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Post by LizardTau on Jan 12, 2022 14:39:20 GMT -5
Crossfire has a specific exemption for <25% Brood Brothers, but even 1 point of Tyranids it's no-bueno. I mean it kind of work fluff wise. No more need to be sneaky when the space gods have shown up over your planet. Lol |
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Post by voodoo on Jan 12, 2022 15:12:16 GMT -5
Points hike on the Volkite Contemptors is as expected, chassis went up by 20 points base, and the Volkites themselves went up 30 points per gun!
Previous = 150
New = 230
Canoptek Wraiths up 10 per model base
Scythed Hierodule went up 40 base
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