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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 21, 2022 16:17:03 GMT -5
I use the app constantly. I have no issues with it, other than launch of a codex day there's usually some hiccups when it has a weird way of building armies (particularly GSC with it's HQ slots opening up other free slots)
But all the rules are there, datasheets and everything. Super convenient at the table not to have to flip through a book.
Plus I never have to worry about checking for updates to points / datasheets because it's all in there.
I just wish when you add a relic to a character you didn't have to switch screens to see the relic info, that it would enter itself in the datasheet itself after you take it like battlescribe does.
but really, only minor complaints at this time.
And any faction I own I always buy the physical codex because I like them much better than a digital version. But that's just me, I'm old.
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Post by Hi I'm Derek on Jan 21, 2022 16:27:19 GMT -5
But those supply issues may not last forever, and if they migrate rules fully digital it will be harder to convince people to buy expensive glossy-paged hard-backed rulebooks in the future.
From a 'make the most money possible' perspective the rollout has a sort of logic to it. They'll test to see if they can get away with double-dipping before they make any changes that might impact their bottom line.
"But DereK!" you say "They used to sell PDF versions of codexes, why not just go back to doing that so people can actually use their product?". If only! Digital rules are cheaper for everyone and the overhead and delivery problems that plague physical releases are virtually nonexistent online. I have no idea how many pdfs you can sell for the cost of manufacturing one book, but it's gotta be a pretty big number. Unfortunately no digital rules was always a deliberate anti-consumer move implemented for the same reason software companies apply terrible DRM to their releases - every extra minute the rules aren't available online translates into additional sales.
I think theoretically almost every GW problem is an easy fix, but there's just no motive to fix them because they're so relentlessly profit-driven.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 21, 2022 16:55:45 GMT -5
well you say that, but they had digital codexes and I still bought the hardcovers every time and never bought a digital codex once. Not everyone wants a digital codex. To the point that they stopped doing it.
Even thought the profit margin is WAY higher for them going digital. So if it's just about money (which is an absolute silly argument because of COURSE a company wants to make money) then they would have went full digital with no paper codexes a long time ago because they make way more money doing it that way, and never have issues with shipping costs, supply chain issues etc.
It's like when people ask why GW makes these ultra expensive limited edition versions of the codexes which are essentially a variant cover and some glossy shine for way more money and contain no other information that isn't in the regular codex. But they sell out every time.
The demand is there for the books, so they go solely with the books.
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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Jan 21, 2022 16:58:44 GMT -5
You'd be shocked how low the cost really is to print 100,000 copies of a book is compared to what GW sells them for.
Those $20 mass print books at chapters/indigo/amazon cost sometimes pennies to make.
It's not that GW doesn't want to switch to digital delivery. They NEED to get all the 9th books launched before rolling over to it. They need to standardize the rulesets before they all plug into the app nicely and to standardize the rules they need to launch books, to launch books they need factory production of models, and their factory has been shuttered for something like 12 of the last 24 months due to not being essential and on top of this you also have the shipping and supply problems caused both by Brexit and the pandemic.
By summer they'll have pushed out all the 9th codexes and then they'll roll over to start pushing digital delivery and the Warhammer app harder and we'll all complain they should have done that a year ago while we stare at our now empty bookshelves where our rulebooks used to be.
Software and digitizing a business is a much slower process than you'd think even in 2022.
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Post by lightcavalier on Jan 21, 2022 17:46:59 GMT -5
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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Jan 21, 2022 18:09:31 GMT -5
Rip Subfaction Soup.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 21, 2022 18:29:32 GMT -5
yup, officially gone.
please ensure if your lists were using this for club champs that you modify, as it's no longer allowed.
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Post by dave on Jan 21, 2022 18:36:42 GMT -5
For me personally, I will always want a hardback codex to put on my shelf.
What I'm not interested in is paper copies of $50 rulebooks with a 6 month lifespan. Or checking a digital source for the handfull of applicable rules from the campaign supplement I didn't buy because it was even more expensive than a full codex. Or downloading and cross referencing multiple pdfs to make sure I have all the FAQ and errata updates for each of those sources of rules.
If the GW app has all of that in one place, I'll be happy to sub. Last time I tried it, I couldn't even add drones to my squad of crisis suits.
Sorry to the armies that relied on multiple subfactions to field a decent list. I'm all for the change from a gameplay standpoint though.
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Post by LizardTau on Jan 21, 2022 18:37:53 GMT -5
Would that make ork specialist mobs illegal as they replace the faction?
Ie a goff army all the models must have the "goff" keyword but the specialist mob lose "goff"
If they are rip trukk boys
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Post by Hi I'm Derek on Jan 21, 2022 19:02:09 GMT -5
As long as the app is married to physical book purchases it's completely DoA to me. I don't want to buy a $60 hardcopy to check how a stratagem is worded for an army I don't play. That's if we pretended for a moment it was a good product and not rushed garbage sitting with a 1.7 on play store  Basically has to be Wahapedia and Battlescribe in one. That's the minimum bar. I think it's pretty safe to say GW's quality control standards aren't likely to ever get it there (well, battlescribe -maybe- but that's the easy part). |
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Post by raceygaming on Jan 21, 2022 19:02:21 GMT -5
Would that make ork specialist mobs illegal as they replace the faction? Ie a goff army all the models must have the "goff" keyword but the specialist mob lose "goff" If they are rip trukk boys It feels like an oversight. Similar to how trukk boyz were illegal when they came out because they weren't allowed in the clan trukks |
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Post by Frosty the Pirate on Jan 21, 2022 19:12:06 GMT -5
Would that make ork specialist mobs illegal as they replace the faction? Ie a goff army all the models must have the "goff" keyword but the specialist mob lose "goff" If they are rip trukk boys It's not that everything must have your subfaction keyword. It just means all things that have a subfaction keyword must all be the same one. If you have units that don't have <subfaction> keywords on them, or that already are hardlocked to a specific subfaction they are totally unaffected. |
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Post by voodoo on Jan 21, 2022 19:28:47 GMT -5
Kind of like scions being a selectable unit in a Cadian army, but they don't gain the Cadian keyword, they always maintain their autonomy. Or special characters for that matter.
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Post by Hi I'm Derek on Jan 21, 2022 19:51:52 GMT -5
As always my heart goes out to anyone whose army was invalidated by the change, but it's been a long time coming. Good riddance I say.
Now if we could just get those points changes so I would know if I have to adjust my club champs list...
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Post by artonas on Jan 21, 2022 19:57:08 GMT -5
I feel like I’ve been refreshing here and Reddit hoping someone is going to leak them. If the chaos daemon lords go down in points I might switch what I bring to club champs.
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