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Post by lightcavalier on Jan 5, 2023 8:01:48 GMT -5
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Post by lightcavalier on Jan 5, 2023 8:05:57 GMT -5
23 pt heavy intercessors
17 pt assault intercessors
Wooo
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Jan 5, 2023 8:07:01 GMT -5
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Post by lightcavalier on Jan 5, 2023 8:07:01 GMT -5
Most marines wargear is legit free
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Post by lightcavalier on Jan 5, 2023 8:16:37 GMT -5
My all T5+ black templar army shed so many points that it's gained 2 eradicators and is still only 1800 pts
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Post by sean on Jan 5, 2023 8:20:29 GMT -5
I like Necron warriors at 11 points
RIP Harlequins
Craftworld got points nerfs, and basically nothing good. Thanks Nanavati....
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Jan 5, 2023 9:04:41 GMT -5
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Post by brujonation on Jan 5, 2023 9:04:41 GMT -5
So if I'm reading this right, Armor of Contempt looks like it's gone completely.
Space marine troops that control an objective don't need to have models on it to retain control of it is pretty cool.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 5, 2023 9:05:36 GMT -5
well that's a mixed bag for what I own. smurfs: very happy sisters: turns out the same for my list votann: wtf 33 point beserks? same points as a terminator? wraith eldar: GW still thinks a wraithknight is worth over 400 points eh? ok whatever Necrons: nice point cut on the warriors - saves me quite a bit of points in my standard list Tyranids: wow... +15 points a MODEL on warrior standard loadout eh? +15 on a trygon? WHY? no one takes them? +10 points per carnifex? doubled the price of the venom cannon if it's on a harpy? reaper flyrant got nerfed into the ground. as expected I guess. GSC: -3 ppm on aberrants eh? I'll take it I guess. cheaper rock saws? okay I'm into that. abominant drop? alright, he still sucks but 85 points isn't terrible. Jackals and wolfquads go UP in points? lol... okay GW Drukhari: +1 ppm on wracks eh? that's annoying. Nurgle daemons: GUO getting a point break is awesome, same with beasts, drones, plaguebearers. I'm not entirely sure why GW would think that Scabbithrax is worth +80 over a GUO for what is essentially a WORSE GUO. silly GW other daemons: Lord of change and wound cap thirst added points? okay that's actually fair. screamers, crushers, fiends going down in points? that's nice, I might actually use them now. Flamers have to hit now with their flamers? okay sure that's fine, at least it nerfs that stupid tsons combo. Now I don't play harlies but that is straight up bullshit dropping their invuls by 1 across the board. Like straight up bullshit.
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Jan 5, 2023 9:23:50 GMT -5
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Post by sean on Jan 5, 2023 9:23:50 GMT -5
They did un-nerf the wording on the harlequin pivotal role and warlord trait.
And fire and fade is no longer one use only.
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Post by distractedcarnifex on Jan 5, 2023 9:57:10 GMT -5
Losing Armour of Contempt is probably good for the game, although Space Marine vehicles are now even less viable. AoC caused confusion and had many little unintended consequences.
Being able to stay in a Space Marine doctrine is a good quality of life change. My Ravenwing will like this.
I am running the numbers on my usual SM lists to see the effects of the points drop. I think that cheaper bad stuff is still bad?
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Post by Hi I'm Derek on Jan 5, 2023 10:10:50 GMT -5
AoC was always a crappy rule but it was a necessary kludge that made most marine lists playable. It's a colossal decrease in durability, so if your list didn't see a massive price cut you're probably in for a rough time (not like marines were tearing up the meta outside of a handful of very specific outliers).
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Post by distractedcarnifex on Jan 5, 2023 10:31:00 GMT -5
My last 2000 point Ravenwing list is now sitting just above 1700 points. My Deathwing are pretty much untouched. If the new Arks of Omen detachment has some way to mix Deathwing and Ravenwing while preserving their rules (which they hinted at) then this means the 1st Legion may be back in business.
Being able to stay in Devastator Doctrine is great for a Ravenwing army. Like really great. Chef's kiss with some Secondaries.
Regarding AoC, I expect that the folks who tore off the Storm Shields from their Deathwing in 2022 are now gluing them back on...
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Post by Hi I'm Derek on Jan 5, 2023 10:33:37 GMT -5
Yep, SS are back on the menu! Start the clock until GW notices people are using them again and they become 10 points or something lol.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Jan 5, 2023 10:40:01 GMT -5
My last 2000 point Ravenwing list is now sitting just above 1700 points. My Deathwing are pretty much untouched. If the new Arks of Omen detachment has some way to mix Deathwing and Ravenwing while preserving their rules (which they hinted at) then this means the 1st Legion may be back in business. Being able to stay in Devastator Doctrine is great for a Ravenwing army. Like really great. Chef's kiss with some Secondaries. Regarding AoC, I expect that the folks who tore off the Storm Shields from their Deathwing in 2022 are now gluing them back on... Almost 300 points to play with is pretty significant... wow! and yeah people will just be adding back in storm shields now.
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Post by distractedcarnifex on Jan 5, 2023 10:54:52 GMT -5
My Deathwing are also cheaper - wargear is free.
The last mixed 2000 point force that I took in December is now also just north of 1700 points.
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Post by lightcavalier on Jan 5, 2023 11:14:18 GMT -5
So my Black tide list just got hilarious
972 points gets me 40 primaris crusaders and 20 assault intercessors
Leaving me over 1000 pts to support those 60 marines
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