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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Mar 22, 2013 5:36:33 GMT -5
I dont know I tend to say that people in bracket two wont care anyways about trophee usually because they are there to have fun and brought friendly list... I know personally I wouldnt feel proud of having a trophee if I was in bracket two because I know Im not a real winner.... saying only four or five people care about winning a trophy isn't accurate... why on earth would people in different brackets not be a "real winner" ? oh well... if we were in the neighbourhood of 48 attendees I could try bracketting... but perhaps we're too small for this idea... never mind then....
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Post by danydaigle24 on Mar 22, 2013 6:47:38 GMT -5
Shannon if you lose your first 3 game go in second bracket and win for me you are not a real winner... seriously its like saying I lost my first round of playoff at hockey im going in a second pool and I will win an other stanley cup...
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Post by nsc on Mar 22, 2013 9:46:31 GMT -5
I can see where you're comming from Shannon, "It's cool winning a trophy no matter what dany says"
But dany has a point where all the ringers wouldn't be happy with a trophy from the 2nd pool.
On one hand the ringers should always be in the "first"/"top"/"best"/"real" bracket and everyone in the 2nd bracket will be stoked just to get a trophy.
In the end I think there should only be one pool and as I mentioned the trophies are just for bragging rights because the way Nexus raffles prizes (aka the best system ever).
It gives the competitive players a goal (a trophy) and everyone else can just come out, roll dice, have fun, and maybe win some swag.
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Post by danydaigle24 on Mar 22, 2013 10:01:27 GMT -5
I didnt say its not cool... I said I want to deserve it... Im one of the most competitive here and Im not shy saying it so I love winning trophee...
I agree with you totally on prize and everything you said
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Mar 22, 2013 11:37:03 GMT -5
.... anyone who won a bracket would totally deserve their trophy... beating 16 people is not easy...
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Post by harryf on Mar 22, 2013 11:50:05 GMT -5
Six games of 40k are fun everyone's army was painted also fun, and I didn't play against cardboard vindicators! what? cardboard vindicators? wha.what? what are you talking about?
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Post by Admiral Agrippa on Mar 22, 2013 12:37:19 GMT -5
what? cardboard vindicators? wha.what? what are you talking about? I think what he might be referring to is the availability of templates online that allow you to make vehicles out of cardstock and other similar thick papers so that people don't have to actually buy the real vehicle.
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Post by nsc on Mar 22, 2013 13:35:44 GMT -5
No I don't like playing against rhinos with toilette paper tubes taped on to the front.
Cardstock, plasticard, basically conversions with effort I'm cool with. Even paper craft.
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Post by Admiral Agrippa on Mar 22, 2013 14:09:22 GMT -5
No I don't like playing against rhinos with toilette paper tubes taped on to the front. Cardstock, plasticard, basically conversions with effort I'm cool with. Even paper craft. Seriously? Someone put a toilet paper tube on a Rhino? Now I think I've heard everything.
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Post by canadianguy on Mar 22, 2013 19:40:26 GMT -5
Remember way back when the starter set for fantasy came with cardboard bolt throwers, it was a rectangle with a picture on both sides.
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Post by calitom on Mar 23, 2013 7:38:07 GMT -5
I like Shannon's idea a lot regardless of what Dany thinks being a "winner" is all about. Being the best in your bracket is still something to be proud of. Though on the other hand I do like the system we have going currently, the trophy and bragging rights is incentive enough for the competitive players while the rest of the prizes are open to everyone, and we wouldn't have to increase entry costs for the extra trophys...
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Post by danydaigle24 on Mar 23, 2013 8:01:25 GMT -5
I knew I wouldnt be popular with that opinion but I think its good in a community to have both views, the competitive and the friendly and stick with your opinion.
I will still be the 1st one register next year one bracket or two bracket because I enjoy that tourney and I know all the hard work Shannon put into it. I also dont care about prize pool being lower or higher because if I want something I just buy it for me its the competition that I like...
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Mar 23, 2013 8:17:26 GMT -5
Prize pool wouldn't be affected either way.... that's always up to Mike and there was some amazing stuff this year... attendees is the thing that affects that... so long as we fill the place the prize table will be very full... no matter what we do for trophies....
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Post by thesanityassassin on Mar 23, 2013 14:02:08 GMT -5
Weighing in quickly on the two tier system, the problem I see with it is that inevitably you'd get someone who wanted to be competitive falling into the second bracket based on losing a game to another competitive player....that would probably be less than ideal for both groups. It would put a nasty army into the lower bracket, while sticking a competitive player who would probably rather try and fight their way back into games against top players. Same would go for a "friendly" player who got a lucky draw and won a few games on the first day and got stuck against rougher armies all day.
I personally like it the way it is....I don't consider myself particularly competitive by nature...I just don't care enough about maximizing an army list or being cutthroat, but at the same time I tend to finish reasonably high in these events. I kind of like the fact that I can drift along and win games but not really max my points and generally end up with balanced games against mid-level armies.
Which leads to a concern about people falling into a situation like mine possibly throwing a game or two to get into the lower bracket to either avoid hard matchups or try to sandbag their way to a trophy.
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Post by Hizack on Mar 26, 2013 4:26:34 GMT -5
As interesting as this quasi round robin and double bracket event sounds.. I don't think we'd be able to do it in two days. In a 16 player bracket, you'd be looking at 4 games on one day at the least to get the winner of it all. With some half of the people only playing 1 game that day.
If we were to do a bracketed event I think we'd be better off following the example of how MLG runs their Starcraft tournaments. A round robin for qualifiers followed by a winners and losers bracket. Yes, you'd get some people eliminated early as well in this but there's more games in general. And if you fall from the winners bracket to the losers, you're now playing for keeps as any loss would have you eliminated so there's still hope to keep going.
However, for 40K this would take quite a while to get all those games in so I don't think it's likely for us to play that kind of a tournament.
As it stands, I think the way we currently run this is more than adequate. We all get 6 games, and we all have an equal chance at placing and finishing well, even if we don't 13-0 every game.
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