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Post by raceygaming on Feb 9, 2017 17:08:50 GMT -5
"Malekith wins" is the most stabbed in the heart I have ever felt by this company, I'm just gonna say it. Actually, the whole bit with how they disbanded GW Canada and lied repeatedly to all the Grey Knights was the worst, but I'mma try to ignore that bit. Ya as an elf player there was nothing more heartbreaking than the "end time" being like remember the 20+ years of lore we have built up and have shaped codex and a ton of books and stuff...WELL THAT"s WRONG, he was the rightful king the whole time!!! No one will ever guess a plot twist so out of place that they will think we designed in by spinning a giant wheel of named elf lords and who ever it landed on was the true phoenix king. |
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Post by thesanityassassin on Feb 9, 2017 17:12:04 GMT -5
Also, to clarify, a certain important entity's death was grossly misreported. It was a lesser something that was named at another source.
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Post by Khalai on Feb 10, 2017 8:42:28 GMT -5
"Malekith wins" is the most stabbed in the heart I have ever felt by this company, I'm just gonna say it. Actually, the whole bit with how they disbanded GW Canada and lied repeatedly to all the Grey Knights was the worst, but I'mma try to ignore that bit. I'm not going to lie, "Malekith Wins" was super gratifying from my perspective, and I'm sure Randy would agree. That said I understand that it 100% doesn't follow any of what you would expect from lore, and see how as a story that was fairly poorly told, it is lame to a lot of the playerbase. Which is definitely going to happen here. Coming from the perspective of Chaos, and Eldar, after this story despite SM being the ultimate protagonists in the galaxy, if they win, the Eldar did it is super unsatisftying. |
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Feb 10, 2017 9:21:51 GMT -5
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Post by ohgodsnakes on Feb 10, 2017 10:00:31 GMT -5
Meh, the second two look pretty easy to kill
-Yvraine is 3W, T3, 4++, and EW. A tactical squad in rapid fire range has a decent chance of killing her in one volley.
-Even easier to smash the visarch, as he doesn't have an invul, so a couple plasma guns should do him.
As for the Yncarne, He's probable going to see limited play as he shares the same slot as the Wraith Knight, for close to the same points. Sure, he can teleport around, but at least he can't charge the turn he does. And with only a 3+/5++ at T6, he's not toooooo crazy. I think I know which lord of war I'd rather face!
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Post by raceygaming on Feb 10, 2017 10:12:16 GMT -5
Meh, the second two look pretty easy to kill -Yvraine is 3W, T3, 4++, and EW. A tactical squad in rapid fire range has a decent chance of killing her in one volley. -Even easier to smash the visarch, as he doesn't have an invul, so a couple plasma guns should do him. As for the Yncarne, He's probable going to see limited play as he shares the same slot as the Wraith Knight, for close to the same points. Sure, he can teleport around, but at least he can't charge the turn he does. And with only a 3+/5++ at T6, he's not toooooo crazy. I think I know which lord of war I'd rather face! I some what agree with your thinking but with the easy that Eldar/DE can pack good stuff into CADs I wouldnt be suprised to see 2x CAD to grab that 2nd LOW slot. fleshbane/armour bane on an MC that regains wounds is pretty good. she has a similar feel to the avatar but has ML 3 powers which could really make her amazing. Warlord her to pick your own powers could make her feel much stronger. The other two look like very solid options for HQs with some favor but also a great way to get Harlie CADs on the table with "cheap" hqs aince harlies coat alot as it is. |
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Post by danny1995 on Feb 10, 2017 10:20:29 GMT -5
Yeah. They're not ridiculous but combined with the power from death shenanigans the could be vicious. Plus we don't know formations, this is weird compared to the last triumvirate because they belong to a new army.
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Post by ohgodsnakes on Feb 10, 2017 10:45:47 GMT -5
Meh, the second two look pretty easy to kill -Yvraine is 3W, T3, 4++, and EW. A tactical squad in rapid fire range has a decent chance of killing her in one volley. -Even easier to smash the visarch, as he doesn't have an invul, so a couple plasma guns should do him. As for the Yncarne, He's probable going to see limited play as he shares the same slot as the Wraith Knight, for close to the same points. Sure, he can teleport around, but at least he can't charge the turn he does. And with only a 3+/5++ at T6, he's not toooooo crazy. I think I know which lord of war I'd rather face! I some what agree with your thinking but with the easy that Eldar/DE can pack good stuff into CADs I wouldnt be suprised to see 2x CAD to grab that 2nd LOW slot. fleshbane/armour bane on an MC that regains wounds is pretty good. she has a similar feel to the avatar but has ML 3 powers which could really make her amazing. Warlord her to pick your own powers could make her feel much stronger. The other two look like very solid options for HQs with some favor but also a great way to get Harlie CADs on the table with "cheap" hqs aince harlies coat alot as it is. Oh yah, I'm not saying they're bad in any way, just not that they're super crazy or anything. I could see an army with very poor shooting having an issue with some of them, but that's also the way of the current meta it seems. |
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Post by thesanityassassin on Feb 10, 2017 10:59:38 GMT -5
Honestly I'd rather face them than Cawl and Celestine. The Yncarne will rarely ever see the table in my mind. Yvraine has some solid abities but seems very undirected - it'll be hard to make use of both her psychic and combat abilities, and even in combat she's only S4 AP3 which honestly removes a lot of the benefit of Instant Death.
Visarch looks killy, but with no Invul he'll have some trouble staying alive.
I think they're all certainly playable, but none of them straight out make me think they're busted.
....I'll save that opinion for the general army rules...
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Feb 10, 2017 11:00:23 GMT -5
compare to a c'tan... this guy is miles better.
compare to any tyranid MC... you can see why nid players are frustrated...
If Yvraine is anywhere near a tactical squad I'm not sure what to say... Her protection is going to be a single model that doesn't need to be anywhere near LOS to support the army, and when she does take a wound she can regain it. Her only saving grace is that she isn't an IC so cannot hide in a unit.
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Post by Jack Shrapnel on Feb 10, 2017 11:02:43 GMT -5
Honestly I'd rather face them than Cawl and Celestine. The Yncarne will rarely ever see the table in my mind. Yvraine has some solid abities but seems very undirected - it'll be hard to make use of both her psychic and combat abilities, and even in combat she's only S4 AP3 which honestly removes a lot of the benefit of Instant Death. Visarch looks killy, but with no Invul he'll have some trouble staying alive. I think they're all certainly playable, but none of them straight out make me think they're busted. ....I'll save that opinion for the general army rules... read Visarch's rules... he has a spot that says "if Visarch is in a unit with Yvraine"
there's some tricks inbound
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Post by ohgodsnakes on Feb 10, 2017 11:23:43 GMT -5
compare to a c'tan... this guy is miles better. compare to any tyranid MC... you can see why nid players are frustrated... If Yvraine is anywhere near a tactical squad I'm not sure what to say... Her protection is going to be a single model that doesn't need to be anywhere near LOS to support the army, and when she does take a wound she can regain it. Her only saving grace is that she isn't an IC so cannot hide in a unit. Well yah, comparing brand new models to dated ones that have been struggling for a long time is going to be bad. No one has ever claimed that the current C'tan or carnifexes are good. But when you stack them against all the great stuff eldar can already take, these don't look like they'll be auto includes by any stretch. And I think that's a good thing. It will hopefully promote some interesting builds and maybe someone will take the Yncarne instead of a wraithknight every once in a blue moon! |
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Post by raceygaming on Feb 10, 2017 11:34:39 GMT -5
I feel like a hero deathball is likely. cant all the imperial guys going a unit together for a benifit?
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Post by ohgodsnakes on Feb 10, 2017 11:38:36 GMT -5
I feel like a hero deathball is likely. cant all the imperial guys going a unit together for a benifit? Sorta. They have a formation where they all get to use their warlord trait (making Cawl pretty crazy to kill besides ID) and forces of the imperium get bonuses for being close to the triumverate. I'm sure the Eldar will also get some shenanigans (That's what they're best known for, right?). |
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Post by voodoo on Feb 10, 2017 11:43:12 GMT -5
The imperial trumverate can also share relics with other armies. I’ve seen popular flavors of giving a Baronial Court of knights a 4++, or AdLance with the +1 invul save relic. Thankfully those shenanigans are shut down locally unless you want a “friendly” game of letting someone take you out back to harvest some organs and your dignity.
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