Necrons in March

[trantos01]

Whelp on one of the forums I follow, some potential Necron Dynastic codes just popped up on facebook and they grabbed the images.
Link to page.




No idea if they're legit or not, but they look it.  Weird thing is that aside from Sautekh, none of the dynasties mentioned have named characters from what I can tell. Sure it's a leak but......

Sautekh is fine since it would let my Doomsday Ark/Stalker move and fire the main gun at normal BS (still low power profile) and my warrioers/Gauss Immortals can actually have a chance to cover some distance and still shoot to some degree. Pointless for destroyer-heavy armies though.

Novokh is only half-useful since you NEVER bring Necron characters into combat if you can help it. By and large they are very squishy compared to just about everyone (and are busy buffing). You do charge scarabs and wraiths but that's about it. Lychguard and Flayed Ones are possibilities but are kind of expensive right now.

Nihilakh: Kinda useful but that requires the enemy to be coming at you. Necrons tend to have short range so often I am moving to close the distance on the enemy. Granted it might help things like Doomsday Arks and Stalker but that depends on particulars.

Mephrit: Very useful for infantry-based armies. Gauss Immortals would be going to AP -3 (warriors -3) and Tesla weapons would be getting AP. The second part is huge since while Tesla can generate a ton of shots, it's normally AP nill.

Nephrekh: Kind of pointless since the only assault weapon Necrons have is Tesla which as no AP normally. So while you can move relatively quickly, you aren't going to use it because you need your forces to be able to shoot or charge. Maybe they'll be a strategem for them.

[Jack Shrapnel]

these are all pretty garbage. lets hope it's not real.

(having a picture at the bottom of one page continued on the top of the next looks pretty fake... GW does side to side cuz you know, it's a book... but who knows)

I mean the first one doesn't even make sense... if it treats all ranged weapons as assault it doesn't suffer the penalty to move and shoot heavy because they're ASSAULT.. as per the first part of it.

If the ranged weaponry didn't change currently (for gauss AP etc.) then solar fury will be the only one that is used.... as it's the only actual useful one.

[trantos01]

-Shrug-
Like I said, no confirmation if this thing is real or not. We'll simply have to wait and see.

[Jack Shrapnel]

I've seen this making the rounds on other sites... given what some of the Tau septs turned out like, I'm not saying this is definitely a fake or anything, and it's plausible that GW basically made 1-2 decent dynasties that you can pick from. (if the codex changes, strategems, relics make up for it)

[Frosty the Pirate]

The move & shoot rule actually does make sense as worded, because by the wording you only treat the weapons as Assault if the unit advances, so moving regularly and shooting a heavy weapon would incur a -1, which would then be negated by this rule, but you would still suffer the -1 for advancing and shooting with an assault weapon. Which honestly considering Nercrons are an army where they want to rolls 6s, giving yourself a -1 doesn't seem very good.

If it's fake, it's at least a very good fake. Because most of those traits are awful

[trantos01]

Mar 10, 2018 18:37:37 GMT -5 Frosty the Pirate said:

If it's fake, it's at least a very good fake. Because most of those traits are awful

Not that different from the T'au septs from what I have vaguely heard.  In that there are two or three that are useful but the rest are just 'meh' at most.

[Frosty the Pirate]

Arguably the best one is the one that grants AP to your weapons. It's kinda ok. the others seem awkward to use at best.

I'm not saying it's not possible, but GW doesn't slip up things like this. They are pretty good about this stuff. A story about how it "popped up on facebook" seems fishy to me. And that fact it doesn't match ANY fluff we currently have seems like a dead giveaway

[LizardTau]

one i find weird is that the one that says they can reroll ones if they haven't moved or haven't disembarked from a transport.

but the disembark rule literally says you count as moving if you disembark even if you do not move any more.

so its very redundant if its real.

[Jack Shrapnel]

Mar 10, 2018 18:37:37 GMT -5 Frosty the Pirate said:

The move & shoot rule actually does make sense as worded, because by the wording you only treat the weapons as Assault if the unit advances, so moving regularly and shooting a heavy weapon would incur a -1, which would then be negated by this rule, but you would still suffer the -1 for advancing and shooting with an assault weapon. Which honestly considering Nercrons are an army where they want to rolls 6s, giving yourself a -1 doesn't seem very good.

If it's fake, it's at least a very good fake. Because most of those traits are awful

A sorry, misread. fine it's even worse than I thought. the only things that should be shooting heavy weapons are a stationary doomsday arc (so it gets more shots) or a monolith (ignores the penalty) or destroyer (ignores the penalty already)

...come to think of it, I'm not sure if there are any heavy weapons that you'd even want to move and shoot in the entire army

[Frosty the Pirate]

Yeah, I had to read them all twice because they are rather awkwardly worded for sure.

I feel like Necrons are probably lined up for April and we'll start getting previews or leaks within a week or two anyways.

[flyingnecronmaster]

From what I hear the person who released these leaks might work for games workshop. the image originally came from Super Wargamer's (a youtuber) Discord, and he showed a video of the 3D model of the new cryptek model the DAY BEFORE games workshop announced it on the warhammer community page. he also claims to have the necron codex already.

I'm leaning towards necrons being a roughly mid-tier army, depending on how (or if) reanimation protocols changes, but there is some good potential in these traits.

Being able to move 11 inches with troops choices is a pretty big deal for necron troops, who can only move 5 and will never really get anywhere across the board. solar fury is really strong with tomb blades, in which some rumours have it that they're going down 11 points per model AND they're getting a -1 to hit wargear option. the nihilakh code is similar to the kronos hive fleet adaptation, which'll be useful for our doomsday arks (which are also rumoured to have D6 shots) and our gauss pylons. re-rolling failed to hit rolls in the first round has good potential with wraiths, scarabs, lychguard (if they ever become usable). the only one i'm having a hard time to justify is sautekh, but maybe they'll have some decent strategems, etc.

[trantos01]

Mar 10, 2018 19:15:53 GMT -5 Jack Shrapnel said:

A sorry, misread. fine it's even worse than I thought. the only things that should be shooting heavy weapons are a stationary doomsday arc (so it gets more shots) or a monolith (ignores the penalty) or destroyer (ignores the penalty already)

...come to think of it, I'm not sure if there are any heavy weapons that you'd even want to move and shoot in the entire army

Doomsday ark keeps the same number of shots on the move.  It just drops to 24 inch S8 AP-2 D3 damage from the 72 S10 AP-5 D6.  There's also the stalker (spider tank) that only has heavy weapons and a 36 inch range tops.  Normally I need to keep the thing 100% stationary or it's hitting on 4s all the time.

Also there are the Gauss cannons in place of the teslas cannons on the Command/A. Barges that are counted as heavy and get the minuses to hit on the move.  And there's the Doom Scythe whose 'death ray' doesn't ignore movement so that would be effected by the rule.

And I suppose if you put the heavy weapons on the wraiths (don't know why) they would be spared the -1.

[flyingnecronmaster]

for reference spikeybits.com/2018/03/rumors-necron-codex-rules-spotted.html

[trantos01]

Mar 10, 2018 19:26:39 GMT -5 flyingnecronmaster said:

for reference spikeybits.com/2018/03/rumors-necron-codex-rules-spotted.html

Time for a rumor review and mathhammer:

Charging after advancing for Canoptek units is very powerful particularly if Nephrekh is legit.  Wraiths would be moving a flat 18 inches (scarabs 16) and then charging.  That's a good chunk of the board that your melee-only units can cover in one turn.

Exploding scarabs strat.......why?  Seriously why?  You'd need Spyders close by to make it worth while and the enemy would simply shoot them first or wipe out scarabs.

The Lord's change does make sense even if it is replacing the current 'reroll failed morale tests'.  Because let's face it, nobody brings Lords to a 8E Necron list because while it's the cheapest (73+18/11/6/3) HQ the ability was useless.  While the Overlord is down 25 points bringing him to 76+18/11/6/3 and the Cryptek down 20 is 66+18 (and however much the cloak is).

So a trio with the minimal gear would be 239 points.  Not that bad for +1 to hit/charge/advance, reroll 1s to wound and the 5+ invul and RP buff.

Wraiths going up is but understandable.  They're kind of OP against a lot of stuff if you take a list built around swarms of wraiths.  Six man unit calcs to 330 but -2AP and 2 damage per hit would be worth it.  With 3 hits each at S6 they could even be a threat to vehicles.

Tomb blades down by 11 points brings them to 13.....That's the same freaking cost as a scarab.   This is going to be under 'I'll believe it when I see it'.  That value seems almost too good.

The Heavy destroyer value of 57 points however doesn't make sense unless they're slashing the price of the base destroyer model.  Because the way things are calculated, you have the destroyer unit (43 points) that gets the Gauss cannon (20) or the heavy Gauss cannon (32).  Don't think they'd want to make the Heavy destroyer cheaper then the regular one. 

So if we assume the 57 is valid then we are looking at a base destroyer cost of 25 points making the regular ones 45 at the same time. 171 for 3 HDs, 270 for 6 regulars and 282 for 5 regular with embedded 1 heavy.  Still pricey but you can take a couple of squads of these guys and still cover the rest of your needs.

[Jack Shrapnel]

pretty difficult to say those are reliable rumours from spikeybits, given two of the strategems they listed as "new" are just the ones from chapter approved. others are so vague that, yes they can be true (a few points for example) but are hardly reliable or useful rumours.

heavies being 57 points although would be welcome (75 points for a lascannon is super overcosted compared to what any other army gets) but without a corresponding drop in price for destroyers, hell, I'm just taking heavy destroyers and spamming them instead. Destroyers were decent in 7th when toughness meant something. 8th they're just ludicrously easy to kill for something that's supposed to be tanky.

tomb blades would have to go down about 10 points or so to even be playable. so I'd take that one.

overlords dropping 25 points, as Jonathan said, makes regular lords completely useless... oh wait, they're already completely useless.

d-lords are crap now... "a few points" isn't going to change that. Make them better at their job... or just any job...make them do something anything else in the army can't do better?

that list seems pretty damn random and vague. I'm guessing we've got some more solid intel coming soon.

oh and as for the above "from someone from games workshop" leak source. Nope. GW employees don't do that. Because why on earth would you lose your job over leaking information to the internet for zero gain? That's super dumb. Most of these leaks come from the printing company (they don't print in-house) or preview copies, or are planned leaks by GW (which has been confirmed with previous "leaks".

with rumours coming out though, GW does monitor that stuff. we tend to get Warhammer Community putting out official statements following these things - much like with Forgebane, which was confirmed officially very shortly after the rumour dropped.